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    Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    So I was flipping the channels and came across CSPAN, despite being accused of political junkyness from time to time, I do not watch a lot of CSPAN.
    However, tonight was exceptional in that Dennis Kucinich was reading a 35 article calling for the Impeachment of George W Bush in the House of Representatives, which will have to be decided up on within the next 2 business days.
    Democrats in Congress do not want to Impeach George W Bush for obvious reasons, they've supported him for 7 + years. Republicans are in no better shape than their Democratic partners on the other side of the aisle.
    Despite the 2006 election which gave political power to Democrats to end the war and Impeach Bush among other items, Nancy Pelosi promptly seized control of the House of Representatives and promised to keep George W Bush in office as long as possible to further the goals of the Democratic Party.
    Apparently, every day that Bush stays in office is one more day that the United States as a country is further despoiled. The cumulative effect is that the country will be so thoroughly waisted come November of 2008 that voters will be slightly more likely to choose more Democrats to continue the work they started in 2006 (not keeping Bush in office this time, but making life miserable for Republicans, the country be damned.)
    I apologize if these prose do not drip with sarcasm, but it was actually uplifting to here someone read articles of impeachment against the President, finally.
    People sometimes ask me why I do not support Democrats. The answer is that they do not have the fortitude to stand up for their convictions and our country more often than not. The perfect example of this is manifest in the lack of actions by the Democratically controlled Congress and especially in Nancy Pelosi (May Cindy Sheehan still have a chance of defeating her some day...).
    Yes, it is true that Democrats can make it pretty far with political dirty tricks and underhanded slights, but there does come a point where you have to stand up and put your money where your mouth is. This was one of the reasons why I was slowly coming around to backing Hillary Clinton. She seemed to slowly be shedding her 34 years of experience at corruption and was starting to stand up for her beliefs. Dennis Kucinich, tonight definitely stood up for his beliefs. I have yet to see Barack Obama stand up for his beliefs at all and that includes his belief that he should be President.
    I'm not necessarily looking for someone that will unilaterally take a position and hold stubbornly to it come hell or high water or Katrina or all of the above, that's a Bushism. However, I do want to see people take a stand and say, "This is what I am for, and this is why." I then want to see them defend that position and strike out to achieve the goals inherent in the position. I would not tie an absolute to it though, so if they get a better idea from somewhere along the way, then stand up and say, "This is now what I stand for and why I changed my mind."

    The press pundits believe that Kucinich's resolution for impeachment of the President will not have support in Congress, neither at the House level nor at the Senate level.

    So here is the real dirty secret behind what appears on the surface to be a shame, the shame is on us. If we do not pressure our politicians and representatives to support the resolution for impeachment then, we today, are choosing to keep President Bush in office again.

    Today, tomorrow and Wednesday, could be our last chance to get Bush out of office a little sooner and help our country and the world start healing. If we do nothing, we are endorsing George W Bush and his administration yet again, and we are endorsing Congress to change nothing.

    It is expected that within less than 30 days, oil prices will hit $150 a barrell and gas prices will hit $5 a gallon. It is now possible that gas will even hit $8 a gallon by Christmas. That's right, gas prices could double before the year is out. If you re feeling pain at the pump, paying $80 - $150 to fill up your vehicle, imagine paying $150 - $300 for a single fill up.

    If you can afford that, then do nothing. If you think our economy can afford that, then do nothing. If you think that those types of prices, will encourage and ENABLE people to switch to alternative energy options that have not been rolled out en mass yet, then do NOTHING.

    I don't drive everyday, and I can't afford it. I can't afford for our economy to get any worse than it is already getting. I can't afford to see my fellow Veterans hung out to dry both here in the US and deployed around the world. I can't afford to watch George W Bush and his administration make another mistake that will harm this country even more.

    Now, even though I feel that Dennis Kucinich is an unlikely champion for the American People, he is the only one that was brave enough to stand up and call for the impeachment of the person responsible for so many problems that have struck this country in the last 8 years. So, I for one am calling my Representative in the morning (a Republican no less) and I will tell him that I do support this Resolution ad want to see the Resolution for impeachment advanced for debate in the House of Representatives. I want this if for not other reason than to give George W Bush a chance at a fair hearing. He needs it as much as the rest of us, otherwise he will be questioned and ridiculed by history for decades. If he is not responsible for the ailments that are specified in the resolution, then I want to hear the defense and see how this can be possible.

    The pessimist in me feels that the Democratic controlled Congress and especially the House controlled by Nancy Pelosi will squash this resolution and continue to endorse George W Bush, but I will try none the less to help this resolution along otherwise, I am no better than blind supporters of George W Bush or GW himself.

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    There is little doubt that a good number of people in the country and congress would like this to happen. However, they

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I see your point, but "the work of the people" didn't seem to be much of a consideration when the RepububliCons

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I will never stop wondering why Slobodan Milosevic of former Yogoslavia could be tried as a war criminal, and George W.

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Seriously? Isn't this a bit late? I'm still of the opinion that man should never have been in the White House to begin

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Better late than never, in this case. And I am also VERY worried about all the last minute crap that Bush will

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Spiffy, I'd answer your question first referring to the comments of bloggi and shazzer. · · I worked for the US military

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I've thought the man was impeachable for the last five years. I wish they'd done this earlier. (While I'm WAAAAAY more

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    All good points PixelFish. I voted for Kerry myself, but back then Bush was dropping false terrorist intelligence

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I'll have to back up Spiffy's "Isn't this a bit late?" · · Seriously, does everyone seem to think the man acted alone

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Technically, the Afghanistan invasion was a violation of international law/the UN Charter, so that's where he became

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    we need our very own guy fawkes!

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    We've talked here on Utterz about how the group mentality of humans can result in inaction. Last week the video of the

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I think making the effort to contact the Congressman really does help, btw, EVEN in areas where you think, "Oh,

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    http://scalzi.com/whatever/ · · John Scalzi offers his suggestions for why impeachment might be a bad notion. (I disagree to an extent, because I'm

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Thanks PixelFish. I read the article and as I read it, it can basically be summarized to say that since it would be too

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    RE: Vote Today-Send Impeachment Articles Forward

    1) House members are expected to vote Wednesday (today) on sending articles of impeachment against President Bush to the

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    RE: Vote Results to Move Forward on GW Impeachment

    Here are the voting results from today's House Vote to move forward with the Kucinich Privledge Resolution that brings

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    RE: Vote Results to Move Forward on GW Impeachment

    See how your own Representative voted on the call to impeach George W Bush · · http://clerk.house.gov/…oll401.xml

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    RE: JFK Lends His Voice to Impeach George W Bush

    Earlier today it struck me that many people think that impeaching George W Bush should not be done because it is hard.

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    RE: JFK Lends His Voice to Impeach George W Bush

    This flyer is from ImpeachBush.org. I'm not sure but its possible they have some sort of agenda at that website.

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    RE: Scalzi Article

    agreed. while i definately had my fears about the process (mainly that people would ONLY be going after him, which

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    RE: Article 1: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE I.--CREATING A SECRET PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN TO MANUFACTURE A FALSE CASE FOR WAR AGAINST IRAQ · · In his conduct

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    RE: Article II: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE II.--FALSELY, SYSTEMATICALLY, AND WITH CRIMINAL INTENT CONFLATING THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 WITH

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    RE: Article III: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE III.--MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO BELIEVE IRAQ POSSESSED WEAPONS OF MASS

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    RE: Article IV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE IV.--MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO BELIEVE IRAQ POSED AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    i moved out of the US. it's all over but the crying. i suggest you carefully plan your exit strategy too.

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    @thenbushman you could be right, but I'm not ready to give up yet. My brother in law moved from San Diego to Melbourne

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    RE: Article V: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE V.--ILLEGALLY MISSPENDING FUNDS TO SECRETLY BEGIN A WAR OF AGGRESSION · · In his conduct while President of

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    RE: Article VI: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE VI.--INVADING IRAQ IN VIOLATION OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF H.J. RES. 114. · · In his conduct while President of

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    RE: Article VII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE VII.--INVADING IRAQ ABSENT A DECLARATION OF WAR · · In his conduct while President of the United States,

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    RE: Article VIII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE VIII.--INVADING IRAQ, A SOVEREIGN NATION, IN VIOLATION OF THE UN CHARTER AND INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL LAW · · In

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    Australia wouldn't be my choice but your point is well taken. each place has it's own problems. the main thing about

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    RE: Kucinich Offers Impeachment Resolution for Bush

    I definitely do understand your perspective and decision on this. Your exodus may be viewed by history as the smarter

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    RE: Article IX: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE IX.--FAILING TO PROVIDE TROOPS WITH BODY ARMOR AND VEHICLE ARMOR · In his conduct while President of the

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    RE: Article X: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE X.--FALSIFYING ACCOUNTS OF U.S. TROOP DEATHS AND INJURIES FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES · In his conduct while

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    RE: Article XI: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XI.--ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT U.S. MILITARY BASES IN IRAQ · In his conduct while President of the United

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    RE: Article XII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XII.--INITIATING A WAR AGAINST IRAQ FOR CONTROL OF THAT NATION'S NATURAL RESOURCES · In his conduct while

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    RE: Article XIII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XIII.--CREATING A SECRET TASK FORCE TO DEVELOP ENERGY AND MILITARY POLICIES WITH RESPECT TO IRAQ AND OTHER

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    RE: Article XIV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XIV.--MISPRISION OF A FELONY, MISUSE AND EXPOSURE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN THE

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    RE: Article XV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XV.--PROVIDING IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION FOR CRIMINAL CONTRACTORS IN IRAQ · In his conduct while President of

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    RE: Article XV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    @PixelFish · · This particular article is in place in part to redress the lack of prosecution of contractors in Iraq that

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    RE: Article XVI: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XVI.--RECKLESS MISSPENDING AND WASTE OF US TAX DOLLARS IN CONNECTION WITH IRAQ CONTRACTORS · In his conduct

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    RE: Article XVII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XVII.--ILLEGAL DETENTION: DETAINING INDEFINITELY AND WITHOUT CHARGE PERSONS BOTH U.S. CITIZENS AND FOREIGN

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    RE: Article XVIII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XVIII.--TORTURE: SECRETLY AUTHORIZING, AND ENCOURAGING THE USE OF TORTURE AGAINST CAPTIVES IN AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ,

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    RE: Article XIX: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XIX.--RENDITION: KIDNAPPING PEOPLE AND TAKING THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL TO ``BLACK SITES'' LOCATED IN OTHER

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    RE: Article XX: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XX.--IMPRISONING CHILDREN · · In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in

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    RE: Article XXI: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXI.--MISLEADING CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THREATS FROM IRAN, AND SUPPORTING TERRORIST

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    RE: Article XXII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXII--CREATING SECRET LAWS · In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in

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    RE: Article XXIII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXIII--VIOLATION OF THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT · In his conduct while President of the United States, George W.

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    RE: Article XXIV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    Article XXIV--Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth

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    RE: Article XXV: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXV.--DIRECTING TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES TO CREATE AN ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL DATABASE OF THE PRIVATE

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    RE: Article XXVI: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXVI.--ANNOUNCING THE INTENT TO VIOLATE LAWS WITH SIGNING STATEMENTS, AND VIOLATING THOSE LAWS · In his

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    RE: Article XXVII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXVII.--FAILING TO COMPLY WITH CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS AND INSTRUCTING FORMER EMPLOYEES NOT TO COMPLY · In

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    RE: Article XXVIII: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXVIII.--TAMPERING WITH FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS, CORRUPTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE · In his conduct

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    RE: Article XXIX: Impeachment of George W Bush

    ARTICLE XXIX.--CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 · In his conduct while President of the United

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    RE: Pelosi Pro Impeachment Finally

    I have not yet finished turning all of the original articles of impeachment for George W Bush into audio, but there has